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Pocas cosas hay en la vida que nos hagan ver claramente como es una persona, que grado de honradez expresa y que se puede esperar de ella, como el comportamiento en una mesa de Mus. El Mus nos delimita claramente estos extremos. Gracias al Mus, por ejemplo, yo sé con quien puedo jugarme los cuartos con plena confianza, pero, sobre todo, con quien no. El Mus debería ser enseñado obligatoriamente en las escuelas y ser materia de estudio e investigación en los estudios de Psicología, Psiquiatría, y demás ramas de la ciencia con proyección en el comportamiento humano. Nos entrega valiosas pistas y magníficos datos empíricos sobre este tema que, sin el Mus, costaría mas trabajo, dedicación y esfuerzo catalogar, sistematizar y compendiar.
Dos grandes entre los grandes, que por supuesto no necesitaban demostrarlo en la mesa de Mus pero que, en su infinita grandeza es ahí donde más lo hacen, son nuestros queridos amigos Flores y Rafa. Traemos a Cartas Boca Arriba a ambos, a los que entrevistamos, fundamentalmente, desde su perspectiva de pareja de Mus, en una charla donde, también, demuestran su sencillez y grandeza.
ENTREVISTA:
Mus Series Events ofrece este espacio de Cartas Boca Arriba, donde se entrevistarán a personas relacionadas con nuestro mundillo del mus y donde podrán opinar libremente. Al ofrecer este espacio de libertad, MSE no se identifica necesariamente con las opiniones vertidas por las personas entrevistadas, ni se hace responsable de las mismas.
MSE: HABLADNOS DE VUESTROS INICIOS, DE VUESTRO APRENDIZAJE DEL MUS Y DE LOS PRIMEROS RECUERDOS QUE TENEIS SOBRE LOS TAPETES.
RAFA MARTIN: Mis comienzos fueron hace tanto tiempo que ya casi no me acuerdo, lo que si recuerdo es que mi padre era directivo de una Peña de fútbol y allí se jugaban todas las semanas minis y yo me sentaba a su lado para aprender, se jugaba a 30 chinos sin deje y el postre si hacía señas era para preguntarle al compañero lo que llevaba, así fueron mis comienzos hace ya 60 años (Que poco he aprendido).
FLORES PERONA: Mis inicios fueron siendo un niño con 13 años iba al bar del barrio a ver jugar a mi padre y mi tio y preguntaba como se jugaba después me gustaba enfrentarme a ellos les retaba por eso me toco pagar muchas cervezas y alguna ración de calamares.
MSE: ¿FUISTEIS ALUMNOS APLICADOS Y APRENDISTEIS RÁPIDO O BIEN OS COSTÓ ENTENDER LOS ENTRESIJOS DE ESTA JUEGO NUESTRO TAN ENDIABLADO?
FLORES PERONA: Yo aprendí rápido por la cuenta que me tenia. no me gustaba que se mofaran de mi cuando pagábamos en el bar del equipo de fútbol, ahora, eso si, siempre intentaba jugar con los que sabían mucho.
RAFA MARTIN: La verdad es que me costo bastante ya que solo veía jugar, yo no jugaba, no entendía la palabrería del mus, poco a poco mi padre me fue explicando lo qué significaban, empecé a jugar con el pero estaba acojonado y solo hacía lo que el mandaba
MSE: ¿QUE RECORDAIS DE VUESTRAS PRIMERAS INCURSIONES EN CAMPEONATOS DE NIVEL MAS ALTO?¿TENIAIS PAREJA ESTABLE? ¿CAMBIABAIS A MENUDO?
FLORES PERONA: Yo empecé a jugar en la sede antigua del Club Español de Mus donde estaban muy buenos jugadores: Andres Serrano- Jose Manuel Bueno etc, en el Restaurante Sotero. Yo siempre jugaba con mi mujer porque me interesaba que aprendiera rápido y poder ir a jugar que era lo que me gustaba. y vaya si aprendio llegó a ganar en campeonato de España femenino. y conmigo numerosos torneos importantes Benidorm varias veces y la semana grande de Gijon (el mas difícil) aparte de numerosos minis aquí en Madrid (hotel Tury) Hotel Majadahonda) Melgar etc. y siempre con ella era una máquina pasando señas. Hasta que me pagaron la clausula y me la quitaron.
RAFA MARTIN: Cuando falleció mi padre estuve una gran temporada sin jugar, durante la juventud jugaba más al póker y fue de casado cuando en el bar del barrio se jugaban partidas por las tardes, fue muy divertido porque para pagar un simple café se armaban unas broncas tremendas, había muy poco nivel y de vez en cuando se hacían campeonatos. Fue cuando mis hijos empezaron a jugar al fútbol, en el club había muchos padres que jugaban al mus y allí hice amistad con mi primer compañero fijo, jugaba de maravilla y con el fue el primer campeonato serio que jugue, fue en el hotel Meliá y era el campeonato de Sanitas fuimos los segundos y el ambiente fenomenal.
MSE: ¿COMO Y CUANDO OS HICISTEIS PAREJA DE MUS?
FLORES PERONA: Estuve muchos años jugando con el Dr. Juan Carlos Pérez, un gran jugador hasta que hace 3 o 4 años empece a jugar con Rafa porque el Dr. tuvo que atender problemas personales. Ahora ha vuelto al circuito. Con Rafa gane otra vez en Benidorm. y Con Juan Carlos 4 o 5 veces. La verdad, se nos da muy bien el Levante.
RAFA MARTIN: Empecé a ir al restaurante del Ciri, se jugaban minis los sábados y domingos allí me encontré con Flores y su mujer Pilar, hicimos gran amistad. Pilar era la presidenta del “CLUB ESPAÑOL DE MUS”. Me hicieron socio pero en aquellos momentos Flores tenía a su compañero Juan Carlos, (con el que estuve jugando la última vez en Córdoba), poco a poco fuimos intimando, no te puedo decir cuando empezamos a jugar juntos, pero hemos hecho viajes a Bilbao, Sevilla, Málaga, La Toja, Coruña, Logroño, C. Real etc, etc y esta semana vamos a Guadalajara al aniversario de Mus Calidad. Flores a lo mejor tiene mejor memoria y te ha podido informar de cuándo fueron nuestros comienzos.
MSE: SON MUCHOS LOS TORNEOS QUE HABEIS GANADO. CONTADNOS RECUERDOS SOBRE ALGUNOS DE ELLOS. EL PRIMERO QUE GANASTEIS, AQUEL QUE LO HICISTEIS CON MAS DIFICULTAD, EL QUE MAS ILUSIÓN OS HIZO GANAR JUNTOS, AUNQUE CADA UNO OPINE DISTINTO SOBRE ESTO, AQUEL O AQUELLOS QUE NO HABEIS GANADO Y OS GUSTARIA GANAR, ETCÉTERA……..
FLORES PERONA: Como dices, Pepe, son muchos los torneos que he ganado y los recuerdos son buenos porque ganar un torneo siempre es difícil. El más difícil para mi fue ganar la semana grande de Gijón por las características y su manera de jugar. lo gané con mi mujer. Creo que el primero que gané con Rafa fue en 2009 en Benidorm (ultima vez que se hizo en Villajoyosa) por el gran nivel que había y el número de parejas. Ilusión te hacen todos pero la referencia es el Casino de Madrid aunque he estado muy cerca varias veces Con Luis Mazo quede 4º del A y con mi mujer 3º A y muchas veces entrado en premios del B con compañeros distintos.
RAFA MARTIN: Hemos jugado muchos campeonatos juntos, ganados no tantos como hubiésemos querido, pero recuerdo uno en el año 2009, fue el último campeonato que se hizo en el casino de Villajoyosa y quedamos campeones, en Bilbao en las olimpiadas quedamos subcampeones, en el máster de Segovia terceros, en el último casino de Madrid campeones del B y este último si me gustaría ganarlo porque creo que es el campeonato mas difícil de los que se organizan
MSE: ¿QUE VIRTUDES VALORAIS MAS DE CADA UNO SOBRE EL TAPETE? ¿QUE DEFECTILLOS DEL OTRO OS PONEN DE LOS NERVIOS?
FLORES PERONA: Yo prefiero que sean otros los que valoren mis virtudes ó defectos creo que soy valiente y un jugador de ataque quizá me falte algo de pausa o calma cosa que si tiene J. Carlos Pérez. No me fijo en los defectos de Rafa, me gusta jugar con el porque una vez acabada la partida somos amigos y no hay reproches aunque hayamos tenido un fallo. Por decir algo negativo de Rafa es que en ocasiones se desespera con el naipe y el contrario se aprovecha.
RAFA MARTIN: Tengo que destacar de Flores su agresividad, su saber estar en la mesa su deportividad y el respeto hacia los contrarios y sobre todo su fantástica excavadora que en momentos críticos hace estragos, defectos como buen compañero que es creo que no tiene ninguno.
MSE: CREO QUE SOIS UN REFERENTE EN EL MUS NACIONAL Y, EN CONSECUENCIA, PIENSO QUE TENEIS UNA OPINION MUY A TENER EN CUENTA SOBRE EL PANORAMA MUSISTICO ACTUAL Y SOBRE LOS TEMAS MAS COMENTADOS DEL MISMO. ¿QUE OPINAIS?
FLORES PERONA: Yo creo que en la actualidad hay un nivel superior que antiguamente antes casi siempre eran los mismos pero hoy en día hay muchísimas parejas y jugadores muy buenos y resulta muy complicado ganar hasta un mini. Ademas hay muchos jóvenes que se van incorporando al circuito y vienen pegando muy fuerte.
RAFA MARTIN: Yo creo sinceramente que se deberían unificar criterios y hacer un reglamento general para todas las regiones, es muy difícil adaptarte a jugar un campeonato por ejemplo a nosotros que estamos acostumbrados a mentir a no poder hacerlo en otras regiones, yo creo que en este deporte lo que se pretende es engañar al contrario y esa es una forma de hacerlo, no admito que se pueda interpretar el mentir como señas convenidas, yo he visto que sin hablar y pendientes de los contrarios para que no pasen señas están totalmente informados de las cartas de su compañero y esto no se puede demostrar, no entiendo que se vete a jugadores por considerarlos tramposos sin poderlo justificar y creo que se deberían excluir de todo tipo de torneos a lo que se les haya pillado haciendo cualquier tipo de trampa.
MSE: IMAGINO QUE A LO LARGO DE VUESTRA EXPERIENCIA EN EL MUNDILLO HABREIS VISTO DE TODO. CONTADME COSAS QUE HAYAIS PRESENCIADO, TANTO PARA BIEN COMO PARA MAL.
FLORES PERONA: Pues tengo que decir que yo he presenciado in situ 2 parejas de tramposos-as, la primera fue en el restaurante Melgar antigua sede del Club Español de Mus al cual pertenecÍa. En un mini que hacia el Sr. Juan Bailen aparecen 2 individuos que habitualmente iban al Hotel Turi y ganaban siempre el A o el B y al verme se sorprendieron. Avise a nuestro presidente entonces D. AndrÉs Serrano que estuviera pendiente. El azar quiso que la primera partida les tocara juntos. Nada mas comenzar y después de la primea mano se dispone a darlas uno de ellos y Andrés le dice que le deje la baraja que va a contarlas. inicia la cuenta y cuando va por 30 una carta sale volando se la habían guardado y durante la partida la sacaban y la sustituían por otra de las que tenían. se levanto y dijo señores he descubierto a dos tramposos, Se quedaron blancos. se lio una buena y se libraron por el dueño que no quiso problemas en su local. No les he vuelto a ver en ningún sitio jugando.
La segunda fue en el restaurante El Pimiento Verde, en Madrid, en un campeonato organizado por Antonio Jiménez dos mujeres entradas en años se guardaban una carta en la falda y la sacaban cuando les interesaba. tengo testigos de verlas porque llame a Carlitos, hijo del Ciri, que también lo vió. Fué el ultimo dia del torneo y tuvieron la desfachatez d ir a la entrega de premios. Recibieron un gran abucheo.
RAFA MARTIN: La verdad es que después de tantos años jugando me han pasado muchas cosas, pero sobre todo muchas más buenas que malas, por ejemplo la cantidad de amigos que creo que tengo a consecuencia del mus, no te puedes ni imaginar las muestras de cariño que sentí cuando me ocurrió el percance del ictus, igualmente cuando sufri la pérdida de mi mujer..
Agradecer profundamente a Benja el detalle que tuvo conmigo cuando tuve la enfermedad de cambiar el nombre de BlackJack a Rafa Martin. Dar las gracias a la familia musística cordobesa por la acogida que siempre me han dado, en fin todo esto es lo mejor que me ha pasado en este mundillo del mus, el ganar partidas o campeonatos para mi no tienen mayor importancia.
En cuanto a cosas desagradables también las ha habido, por ejemplo tuve que aguantar en una partida a un impresentable que por meter yo las cartas en el mazo después de un órdago de mi compañero y pedir disculpas me insinúo que me conocía de hacia mucho tiempo y que yo me daba cinco cartas, le dije que se estaba confundiendo y siguió con la misma cantinela durante el resto de la partida, hasta Flores tuvo que intervenir diciéndole que estaba confundido que me conocía desde hacía mucho tiempo y que él no jugaría de compañero con alguien que hiciera trampas. Yo creo que soy una persona educada, prefiero jugar las partidas agradablemente, felicitar al contrario cuando me gana y que me feliciten cuando gano y lo que no acepto de ninguna manera es que me falten al respeto como me ocurrió en el anterior campeonato en Córdoba con un impresentable que además estaba bebido.
En fin creo que a lo largo de mi vida en el mundillo del mus he tenido infinidad de momentos buenos y pocos malos.
MSE: DECIDME CADA UNO, SIN NOMBRAROS A VOSOTROS MISMOS, DOS JUGADORES Y DOS JUGADORAS QUE CONSIDEREIS VOSOTROS COMO GRANDES JUGADORES DE MUS. YA SE QUE DIRIAIS MUCHOS MAS NOMBRES, PORQUE LOS HAY, PERO CENTRAROS SOLO EN DOS HOMBRES Y DOS MUJERES.
FLORES PERONA: Pepe hoy en día hay muchísimos buenos jugadores y sería injusto decir 2 nombres y dejar al margen a otros grandísimos jugadores. pero por decir alguno no me puedo olvidar del gran Alfredo Arispe y de Roberto Cipriani (ambos ya fallecidos). Actualmente para mi Lucas es un gran jugador y hace muy buena pareja con mi hija. También está Josele (ciri), Iñaki y Angel Rivero los Asturianos (javi e Iñaqui) los Segovianos Robert-Alberto Javi etc no quiero seguir porque daría mas de 100 nombres todos a cual mejor. Lo cierto es que el nivel del mus ha subido muchísimo y no encuentras una partida fácil.
En cuanto a jugadoras también hay un ramillete de buenísimas mujeres que lo bordan, pero por decir algún nombre y sin que nadie se moleste creo que Laura Perona es una jugadora top también me encanta como juega Lola Zazo. y de las veteranas no puedo olvidarme de mi mujer Pilar Arasanz con la que he ganado muchísimos torneos importantes e Isabel Frutos, aunque repito al igual que con los hombres hay un grupo de buenísimas jugadoras. (las Musas están haciendo una gran labor).
RAFA MARTIN: En cuanto a los dos mejores jugadores de mus a mi parecer han sido de los antiguos mencionar a D. Alfredo Arizpe un fenómeno y más moderno a D. Alberto González (El niño), otro maestro.
De las mujeres he tenido el placer de jugar con la mujer de mi compi Flores Dña. Pilar Arasanz y ha sido un verdadero lujo, no sabría decirte a qué otra mujer podría mencionar cómo la mejor, pero te comento que cuando bajo por el sur juego con Isabel y me parece que juega de maravilla.
Mañana jugamos un campeonato en Ávila y dentro de poco vamos a jugar en el Puerto de Sta. María.
MSE: HAY QUE MOJARSE EN LA RESPUESTA QUE OS PIDO AHORA. CONTINUAMENTE LEEMOS EN LOS GRUPOS QUE COMPARTIMOS OPINIONES VARIADAS EN TORNO AL LUGAR DONDE SE JUEGA MEJOR AL MUS, POR CONCENTRACION DE GRANDES JUGADORES Y OTRAS CIRCUNSTANCIAS. PARA VOSOTROS, ¿DONDE SE JUEGA MEJOR AL MUS? SERIA BUENO TAMBIEN UN RAZONAMIENTO DE LA RESPUESTA.
FLORES PERONA: Sin ningún género de dudas donde se juega mejor al mus es aquí en Madrid debido al gran número de jugadores de primer nivel que hay. En otros lugares como Segovia, Asturias, Bilbao, Santander y La Mancha etc también los hay pero en menor cantidad.
RAFA MARTIN: A mi particularmente el campeonato que más me gusta por la cantidad de parejas que se concentran y todas ellas de máxima calidad es el del Casino de Madrid, de él puedo destacar el lugar que es inmejorable, que a pesar de contar con tantísimas partidas no se oye ni tan siquiera a la mesa de al lado, ser rigurosos en los tiempos de cada partida, la información del seguimiento del campeonato partida a partida, el encuentro con amigos de todas las regiones del país, en fin creo que es el mejor de todos los campeonatos a los que he asistido y que si puedo no dejaré de ir.
MSE: UNA DE LAS CUESTIONES MAS LLAMATIVAS DEL MUS ES LA DIVERSIDAD DE REGLAMENTOS Y DE FORMAS DE JUGAR. ALLÁ DONDE VAMOS HAY QUE PREGUNTAR: ¿COMO JUGAIS AQUI?. ¿QUE OS PARECEESTE TEMA? ¿SERIA BUENO UN REGLAMENTO COMÚN PARA TODOS LOS CAMPEONATOS?
FLORES PERONA: Creo que seria imprescindible y necesario unificar los criterios aunque hoy por hoy lo veo muy difícil porque cada Comunidad está acostumbrada a jugar de esa manera y para ellos es la mejor. Ahora con buena voluntad y con diálogo entre las distintas asociaciones se podría conseguir.
RAFA MARTIN: Te comento que a mi particularmente me gustaría que se unificaran los reglamentos, yo nombraría a un representante de cada región y entre ellos legalizar un reglamento universal. Me imagino que cada uno prefiere jugar con el reglamento de su región, por ejemplo no entiendo el no jugar con deje ya que no tiene sentido el volverte sin obtener ningún beneficio, me gusta jugar mintiendo durante todo el trance del juego, hay gente que opina que mintiendo se pueden pasar señas convenidas y yo pregunto a esa gente que si se puede mentir antes del corte también se podrían pasar esas supuestas señas convenidas.
Te voy a contar una anécdota que nos ocurrió a Flores y a mí en las olimpiadas de Bilbao, estábamos jugando con una pareja de allí, llegamos el lance del juego y no llevamos ninguno, yo mano y le mando a Flores seña de treinta al punto me paso, se pasa el de mi derecha y le digo a Flores que “”Yo no me lo gano ni queriendo”” se pasa y el postre echa órdago y Flores quiere, nos dan la mano porque era juego de partida, pero estábamos rodeados de compañeros nuestros y de ellos, entonces empezaron a comentar que al no poder mentir y yo hacerlo el juego no lo podíamos ganar y hubo que repetirlo, tuve que pedir perdón y efectivamente llevaban razón, pero a los que estamos acostumbrados a jugar mintiendo muchas veces nos equivocamos y tenemos que decir la verdad perjudicándonos y pidiendo perdón.
En fin si no hay forma de poder unificar los distintos reglamentos tendremos que informarnos al ir a un campeonato y jugar de la forma que nos digan.
MSE: BIEN, HA SIDO UNA ENTREVISTA MUY GRATIFICANTE DE HACER POR SER VOSOTROS DOS. COMO SIEMPRE, OS CORRESPONDE LA ULTIMA PALABRA PARA TERMINARLA.
FLORES PERONA: Ha sido un verdadero placer contestar a tus preguntas, Solo desear que sigamos haciendo entre todos mas grande este juego que tanto nos apasiona, cada día y gracias a los organizadores y a las asociaciones hay más torneos y por lo tanto más posibilidades de conocer y hacer amigos que es de lo que se trata. Afortunadamente el mus me ha dado la oportunidad de hacer multitud de amigos en toda la geografía española y viajar a muchas comunidades que sin este juego seguro no conocería. Un abrazo y gracias de corazón a todas las personas que me dieron fuerza y ánimos para superar mis problemas recientes de salud. LARGA VIDA AL MUS.
RAFA MARTIN: Pepe te agradezco de corazón esta entrevista, espero haber contestado a tus preguntas satisfactoriamente y si no ha sido como tú esperabas pedirte perdón. Hasta pronto y un fuerte abrazo.
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